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	<description>Writing tips for the real world.</description>
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		<title>By: Peggy Bechko</title>
		<link>http://thewritersbag.com/life_and_writing/garbage-in-garbage-out/comment-page-1#comment-16248</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Bechko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Writers should read everything they can get their hands on.  Read what you really enjoy, then stretch yourself and pick up something that may not seem to be your thing at first glance.  I'm a professional writer and I've read a bit of everything - genre fliction, classics, advertising copy - everything.   It's all good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writers should read everything they can get their hands on.  Read what you really enjoy, then stretch yourself and pick up something that may not seem to be your thing at first glance.  I&#8217;m a professional writer and I&#8217;ve read a bit of everything - genre fliction, classics, advertising copy - everything.   It&#8217;s all good</p>
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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
		<link>http://thewritersbag.com/life_and_writing/garbage-in-garbage-out/comment-page-1#comment-13514</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that bad writing helps me more than good.  I don't generally see how awkward and squickful something in my own writing is unless I see somebody else do it, too.  

To me, writing is like living in a world and showing somebody a snapshot of it.  It's hard to see what just the snapshot looks like to somebody who has never been there.  But you can look at somebody else's picture and say, "I'm not getting a sense of what this place is like because of a, b and c."

Then you can look at your own picture to see if you made the same mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that bad writing helps me more than good.  I don&#8217;t generally see how awkward and squickful something in my own writing is unless I see somebody else do it, too.  </p>
<p>To me, writing is like living in a world and showing somebody a snapshot of it.  It&#8217;s hard to see what just the snapshot looks like to somebody who has never been there.  But you can look at somebody else&#8217;s picture and say, &#8220;I&#8217;m not getting a sense of what this place is like because of a, b and c.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then you can look at your own picture to see if you made the same mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>television was strictly limited in our household, so we turned to books &#38; art. i started on the Nancy Drew series- like most young girls- and wound up with the likes of Agatha Christie, Ngaio Marsh, Donald Westlake, Rex Stout, and P.D. James- all of whom i still greatly enjoy.

certainly these masters of mystery have shaped my own writing, but the weekly (sometimes daily) Bible reading also shaped my prose somewhat- i tend to group things in the way they're listed in Proverbs, my language bends to the archaic, and there's a very pronounced authoritative background voice. also read every single fairy tale and colloquial legend i could get my hands on, this history shows itself in the rule of threes as well as a strong right-or-wrong-no-middle-ground theme throughout my books.

interesting how the words that one reads shapes the formation of words inside of one's head! great article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>television was strictly limited in our household, so we turned to books &amp; art. i started on the Nancy Drew series- like most young girls- and wound up with the likes of Agatha Christie, Ngaio Marsh, Donald Westlake, Rex Stout, and P.D. James- all of whom i still greatly enjoy.</p>
<p>certainly these masters of mystery have shaped my own writing, but the weekly (sometimes daily) Bible reading also shaped my prose somewhat- i tend to group things in the way they&#8217;re listed in Proverbs, my language bends to the archaic, and there&#8217;s a very pronounced authoritative background voice. also read every single fairy tale and colloquial legend i could get my hands on, this history shows itself in the rule of threes as well as a strong right-or-wrong-no-middle-ground theme throughout my books.</p>
<p>interesting how the words that one reads shapes the formation of words inside of one&#8217;s head! great article!</p>
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		<title>By: Catana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My childhood was steeped in the classics because they filled my parents' book shelves. I eventually branched out, especially into science fiction, but unless a book is well-written, it's not going to hold my attention. My reading tastes are fairly eclectic and I think that's all to the good for any writer. Like Tumblemoose, Tom Clancy turned me off within a chapter. Horrible, horrible writing. But he apparently tells a cracking good story or his novels wouldn't have been turned into movies.

By the way, I didn't grow up with television, so never got quite as addicted as the average viewer. With the steady decline of quality, I've been watching less and less, and once the country goes digital, my set will go black except for DVD-watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My childhood was steeped in the classics because they filled my parents&#8217; book shelves. I eventually branched out, especially into science fiction, but unless a book is well-written, it&#8217;s not going to hold my attention. My reading tastes are fairly eclectic and I think that&#8217;s all to the good for any writer. Like Tumblemoose, Tom Clancy turned me off within a chapter. Horrible, horrible writing. But he apparently tells a cracking good story or his novels wouldn&#8217;t have been turned into movies.</p>
<p>By the way, I didn&#8217;t grow up with television, so never got quite as addicted as the average viewer. With the steady decline of quality, I&#8217;ve been watching less and less, and once the country goes digital, my set will go black except for DVD-watching.</p>
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		<title>By: Laya</title>
		<link>http://thewritersbag.com/life_and_writing/garbage-in-garbage-out/comment-page-1#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>Laya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think even reading bad thing can be helpful, from a writer's perspective.  I read all sorts of things - from trashy novels to contemporary fiction to the classics.  It all depends on what mood I'm in, as well as where I'm getting the books from (my mother and best friend are heavily into romances).  If a book is absolutely horrible, I'll put it down.  But even books written for "the lowest column denominator" can teach me things about writing.   

For example, I read the first installment in an incredibly popular young adult series, and though I recognized the writing was less than stellar, I noticed the author had a real gift for leading the reader from scene to scene and chapter and chapter.  You were left always wanting to know what was going to happen next.  I took those lessons and thought about how I could apply them to my own writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think even reading bad thing can be helpful, from a writer&#8217;s perspective.  I read all sorts of things - from trashy novels to contemporary fiction to the classics.  It all depends on what mood I&#8217;m in, as well as where I&#8217;m getting the books from (my mother and best friend are heavily into romances).  If a book is absolutely horrible, I&#8217;ll put it down.  But even books written for &#8220;the lowest column denominator&#8221; can teach me things about writing.   </p>
<p>For example, I read the first installment in an incredibly popular young adult series, and though I recognized the writing was less than stellar, I noticed the author had a real gift for leading the reader from scene to scene and chapter and chapter.  You were left always wanting to know what was going to happen next.  I took those lessons and thought about how I could apply them to my own writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Marcal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Marcal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

I'm with you.  I am a classics guy myself.  I have read most of Dickens, Hugo, Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Balzac, Stendahl, Walter Scott, Thomas Hardy and my beloved Anthony Trollope.  I also enjoy early--to-mid 20th century authors: Thomas Mann, Hermann Hesse, Paul Bowles, Robert Musil, P.G Wodehous, George Orwell (recently re-read Burmese Days - just wonderful)

I have a really difficult time rattling off a similar list of contemporary (to me) authors.  The books of the latter, I have read in fits and starts, never in a sustained way.  Curiously enough I find contemporary female authors more interesting than their male counterparts e.g., Francine Prose, A.S. Byatt, Iris Murdoch, Alice Munro.  Contemporary male authors that I have enjoyed tend to be non-Western born, in particular Haruki Murakami (if you haven't read The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, you absolutely must), Vikram Seth and Vikram Chandra.

The books I like to read that are written by contemporary authors are more factual in nature: almost anything my Steven Pinker, Richard Dawkins, the political stuff - most recently Jane Mayer's The Dark Side; most of the major Iraq/President Bush books  COBRA II, the Woodward books, etc.

Regards,

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you.  I am a classics guy myself.  I have read most of Dickens, Hugo, Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Balzac, Stendahl, Walter Scott, Thomas Hardy and my beloved Anthony Trollope.  I also enjoy early&#8211;to-mid 20th century authors: Thomas Mann, Hermann Hesse, Paul Bowles, Robert Musil, P.G Wodehous, George Orwell (recently re-read Burmese Days - just wonderful)</p>
<p>I have a really difficult time rattling off a similar list of contemporary (to me) authors.  The books of the latter, I have read in fits and starts, never in a sustained way.  Curiously enough I find contemporary female authors more interesting than their male counterparts e.g., Francine Prose, A.S. Byatt, Iris Murdoch, Alice Munro.  Contemporary male authors that I have enjoyed tend to be non-Western born, in particular Haruki Murakami (if you haven&#8217;t read The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, you absolutely must), Vikram Seth and Vikram Chandra.</p>
<p>The books I like to read that are written by contemporary authors are more factual in nature: almost anything my Steven Pinker, Richard Dawkins, the political stuff - most recently Jane Mayer&#8217;s The Dark Side; most of the major Iraq/President Bush books  COBRA II, the Woodward books, etc.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Tumblemoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tumblemoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

I think it's important for writers to read, and I think keeping abreast of what is out there in your particular genre is important.  I've heard of people who won't read in their genre because they don't want their writing influenced. Hogwash, I say.

For myself, I can't hang in there with a book that is boring, slow or is driving me crazy for one reason or another.  I remember picking up a Tom Clancy book at one point.  (which one, I can't remember) - the writing was so stilted and arrogant I quit after the first few chapters and never looked back.

I think the more writers you can expose yourself to, the better your writing will be.  Character development, flow, style - these are all things that can be looked at from a new perspective if you like the way a particular author handled these things.

So, there's my 2 cents!

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important for writers to read, and I think keeping abreast of what is out there in your particular genre is important.  I&#8217;ve heard of people who won&#8217;t read in their genre because they don&#8217;t want their writing influenced. Hogwash, I say.</p>
<p>For myself, I can&#8217;t hang in there with a book that is boring, slow or is driving me crazy for one reason or another.  I remember picking up a Tom Clancy book at one point.  (which one, I can&#8217;t remember) - the writing was so stilted and arrogant I quit after the first few chapters and never looked back.</p>
<p>I think the more writers you can expose yourself to, the better your writing will be.  Character development, flow, style - these are all things that can be looked at from a new perspective if you like the way a particular author handled these things.</p>
<p>So, there&#8217;s my 2 cents!</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: Magnolia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnolia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot imagine a life without reading.  I came from a very troubled, chaotic and violent home.  As a young child, I never knew what condition my alcoholic father would be in and to say I carried a huge emotional burden is an understatement.

My escape was reading.  I loved school and anything that involved a book.  I actually had images of taking a big bite out of a juicy, red apple every time I read a book.  It made me happy, satisfied my soul and took away my pain.

I could fall into a world that shut out everything that hurt and distressed me faded away.

The first book I remember becoming engrossed in was about Harriet Tubman of The Underground Railroad.  I was a young child in the early 1960's in the Deep South.  I was acquainted with racism shall we say.  The book had a profound impact on my life and shaped much of my attitudes as an adult regard race in the South.

I enjoyed biographies as I got older and leaned toward military generals.  Why, I cannot explain, but Ike was one of my favorites........the philanderer that he was.  Perhaps I was beginning to find my way to my military officer husband. :)

I still love biographies, but have enjoyed my share of classic literature as well.  I spent many summers during my college years on the floor of the library reading D.H. Lawrence, Emily Bronte and Nathanial Hawthorne.

One of my favorite authors for many years was a bit more contemporary........Ernest Hemingway.  He taught me about pernod. :)

I would have to say my love for poetry however has likely shaped and defined my personality more than anything else.  The power of the written word never ceases to amaze me and I'm always baffled that someone could be impervious to it. 

I love your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot imagine a life without reading.  I came from a very troubled, chaotic and violent home.  As a young child, I never knew what condition my alcoholic father would be in and to say I carried a huge emotional burden is an understatement.</p>
<p>My escape was reading.  I loved school and anything that involved a book.  I actually had images of taking a big bite out of a juicy, red apple every time I read a book.  It made me happy, satisfied my soul and took away my pain.</p>
<p>I could fall into a world that shut out everything that hurt and distressed me faded away.</p>
<p>The first book I remember becoming engrossed in was about Harriet Tubman of The Underground Railroad.  I was a young child in the early 1960&#8217;s in the Deep South.  I was acquainted with racism shall we say.  The book had a profound impact on my life and shaped much of my attitudes as an adult regard race in the South.</p>
<p>I enjoyed biographies as I got older and leaned toward military generals.  Why, I cannot explain, but Ike was one of my favorites&#8230;&#8230;..the philanderer that he was.  Perhaps I was beginning to find my way to my military officer husband. <img src='http://thewritersbag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I still love biographies, but have enjoyed my share of classic literature as well.  I spent many summers during my college years on the floor of the library reading D.H. Lawrence, Emily Bronte and Nathanial Hawthorne.</p>
<p>One of my favorite authors for many years was a bit more contemporary&#8230;&#8230;..Ernest Hemingway.  He taught me about pernod. <img src='http://thewritersbag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would have to say my love for poetry however has likely shaped and defined my personality more than anything else.  The power of the written word never ceases to amaze me and I&#8217;m always baffled that someone could be impervious to it. </p>
<p>I love your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: c.a. Marks</title>
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		<dc:creator>c.a. Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, I reckon it all depends on what caliber writer one would like to become. Yes, in that regards; garbage in, garbage out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, I reckon it all depends on what caliber writer one would like to become. Yes, in that regards; garbage in, garbage out.</p>
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